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((I'm writing an article on the topic. Do YOU think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?))




Hi guys! I need your help!

I recently enrolled into uni to study digital art and design and I was faced with this big fat stigma against manga-style arts. I've decided to write an article about it for my course's blog and I WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
Because me, I just don't get why is it that Western cartoon style is acceptable and anime/manga style isn't. And why art tutors say things like "Oh, we'll have to beat it [anime] out of you, then" to students who admit they like anime/manga.

Why black splatters on white paper have a profound meaning while a complex illustration is dismissed as a piece of crap, non-art, just because it is drawn in manga style?
What the heck happened to the freedom of expression, anyway?
I knew most art schools are not in love with anime/manga style, but I just honestly wasn't expecting such open, well, hostility, for the lack of a better word. And not just amongst the staff, but a big part of the student body as well. It just makes me sad. But that's beside the point.

The most common misconception seems to be that people who draw in anime/manga style are shit artists otherwise, that drawing in anime/manga style is as indication of lack of skill.

Thus the question: Do you think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?

Also, if you have any experiences of people dissing anime/manga as a form of art in general, please do share. If you remember even approximately what somebody said about it, please quote.

Thank you for your help. : )
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Taku-chan13 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The vast majority of anime styles are badly same-faced and lack distinctive facial features, largely because of how low-budget they tend to be. It's less a matter of 'anime is bad' and more a matter of 'drawing all your characters with no mouth, no nose, and barely-distinctive eyes isn't a good habit.' Plus, anime styles tend to be extremely similar to one another, and because the 'anime-ness' is SO distinct, it can wipe out the originality and personality that would otherwise be cultivated in a personal style (having the unfortunate side effect of making your art blend in with others, rather than standing out and attracting unique attention). It's fine and even productive as a stepping stone in your artistic journey, but not a good choice for a long-term signature art style. 
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Feendra13 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I was wondering this myself, I honestly don't draw anime style too often, but I don't draw cartoony stuff at all unless I have to (I hate cartoon styles like looney toons SO MUCH) But in my honest opinion because of experience, using anime to start off with for learning to draw humans is a great start, because of how simplistic it is, but as you get better, your anime art gets more complex. Because let's be honest, there are animes that look absolutely beautiful, while I look back at my old anime art and cringe. I think artists and art teachers/professors only see the beginning cringe worthy stuff and not freaking Spirited Away, and Ponyo.

I'm currently going to college to be a character design artist for games, and was told to take some animation classes to help strengthen my character design, so I get into my character design class (for animation) all excited, and my instructor starts off by asking how many of us like anime, a little over half the class. And he then informs us that he will have none of it, and explained, it's because once you get into the field, not many animation studios DO anime stuff so just for get anime basically. He also had us design some characters and I decided to experiment with styles and did a my little pony, littlest pet shop fusion (which I normally don't) and he told me it was too anime -____-

But I don't understand why western studios don't try more anime, if they think it's stiff and terrible, there are plenty of other western cartoons that are just like that (I'm looking at you Camp Lazlo, and even if your Canadian, total drama Island) and it also really gets me because animation pounds simplicity into your head so it's easier to animate, guess anime is too complicated. And my friends and I agree that anime is an art style, it is NOT restricted to Japan. Anime is NOT just a Japanese cartoon. Code lioko is French, Avatar the Last Air bender is American, Teen Titans was influenced by Fooly Cooly.

Obviously there is a market for anime, there's obviously a lot of people, young and old, who like it, so I don't understand WHY AMERICAN ANIMATION IS SO AGAINST IT!
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ReaverxLoganfan21 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 15, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I can say this but my current Computer Graphics teacher that i had for the past 2-3 years ( who is also one of my favorite teachers) I know definitely doesn't really like it only because its not really original and he probably only wanted me to just expand on my art style ( which i really don't mind i can kinda get why)

The thing with the US is that it mainly looks at realism ( you know the western comics such as Batman, Superman,etc.) and sometimes whenever you draw anime it actually does take a lot of effort and it takes a really long time to improve ( for me it took 7 years) but realism takes nearly centuries 

I actually do get what you are saying, some people are just hostile and believe every cartoon looks the same, its not your fault
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CandiedGum Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The western cartoonist style has a sense of "semi realism" Anime however DOES NOT. In some cases, maybe, yes, but 90 percent of the time, its just a flat out cartoon. Take a look at the marvel comics. They have a sense of shading, anatomy and everything needed for real realistic drawings. The face structures are not exaggerated and are realistic and most times (for example the superhero comics) have defined muscles where their supposed to be. Yes, anime/manga is an art style, and I'm not saying its bad, but if your looking to get into college with that, think again. You can't make a living out of anime or manga unless you have a good community/good art. Art academies are looking for cartoons, their looking for realistic/semi realistic pieces be it comics or not. Its kind of dumb to think that you can get away with entering a cartoon piece into your profolio (unless of course if the school accepts it) Sigh... 
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MyPaint-YourBlood Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If people seriously have to argue against anime bein an art style are just idiotic. of course its an art form. Animation, drawing, creating something, so yea, anime is an art. Just because everyone is not painting like the old renaissance, does not mean it is not art. I mean, look at what they accept in museums now, a blank canvas with a blue line painted on it. Also, I have a pet peeve about those who think they know about art just because they go to "art school", that pisses me off. Manga/Anime artist take time and patience to do what they do, as do cartoons, impressionism, realism, landscaping, sculpting, etc. Some may not be great, some may not be perfect, some may be better than others, but art is art, no matter the field. 
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UrielMalakim Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015
I don't think its a question of anime and manga styles being bad so much as its all anyone see and they want other styles to be accepted or acknowledged as well. In my experience anime and manga is the only real style drawn so teachers get frustrated when they try and introduce new styles to expand horizons. I personally started off as an anime manga styled drawer I even got my inspiration from Sailor Moon when i was little but Ive evolved it to be more of my style and how i see things and that's all that art is, is taking styles you like and blending them together to get something uniquely yours and your vision on how you see the world. I have also had a lot of teachers who like the anime and manga style as well so its probably just the school you're at, my teachers may not have drawn it but they could appreciate it even when they wanted to do landscapes or crosshatching or their personal art work.
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Comraxe Featured By Owner Edited Sep 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I find art schools to be very old school (from what I've heard). They praise realism while both western cartoon and animes are never taken seriously.
This is why I don't take art schools seriously. I'd rather take business and design if I ever wanted to pursue an art career. I am a western cartoon artist with decent skills but I have a very low audience count compared to those of anime artists around here, it seems. At least here on deviantart, it seems anime is a very popular and well-liked style. Original cartoon on the other hand, not so much. Unless we're talkin about MLP fanarts and what have you. :)
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2015
So you've never been to an art school...

And the only reason why you find anime more acceptable here is because it's more liked on this site?
I could point you in the direction of a whole bunch of sites, porn included, that really likes anime.
Does that make anime more credible in artistic strides? No.

There's a reason why anime is still consider a niche: It's not a generally accepted art style outside Japan.

If you believe that popularity is a legitimate criticism in favor of art, Disney blows all that shit out of the water.
And in that case, you really should actually take a few classes at your local community college to get an appreciation for it.
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Comraxe Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No thanks dude, I really would hate to pursue art as a career. Just ain't my thing!
Even if I did, it would be blood, sweat and tears with very low pay. There's a reason why the artist stereotype exists, eh?
Anyway, those are just my views so you're absolutely free to disagree with it :)
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2015
Okay I will.

Good day sir.
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Comraxe Featured By Owner Edited Nov 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good day to you too, man - I hope you have a nice weekend!
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raphaelchicochiwawa Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2015
Cause you suck you got get better to show every one how awesome anime is
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AnimeGirl832 Featured By Owner Edited Aug 19, 2015  Student Artist
Wow thats sad. I believe that anime has more time taken into it than western art for example think about....
Spongebob compared to Naruto or Madoka Magica. Theres a big differnce!
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Edited Aug 1, 2015
I believe the reason to be the fact that the majority of "fans" (and I use that term loosely) of the anime "art style" have no idea about the fundamentals of art to begin with. All the anime on deviantart are filled to the brim with children (or the mental age of children) who draw but don't understand basics when drawing. Like perspective, realism, anatomy, etc.

Not to mention anime is cheaply done that most art professors see them as nothing more than pictures with camera shifting in the way one moves one's eyes across a comic book's panels. It could look like animation if you squint a little in a dark room.

And most of these so called "Anime is art" Plebeians are at the age where they think they know everything when art is SO MUCH BIGGER than they comprehend. Doesn't help that "fans" have severe tunnel vision that they couldn't recognize superior works if it slapped them in the face shouting "Baka"! (Ugh I feel dirty leaving that in there).

Also it's fucking childish to say anime has better stories/details or some shit that has nothing to do with animation. Guess what? There are much better stories and art that anime have no capability of reaching in it's current state. THEY'RE CALLED BOOKS AND ART MUSEUMS!
Otherwise the animation of most anime is like watching dead eye puppets shutter around with the background of the Mona Lisa while someone from an asylum tries to tell you a story while writhing on the floor.

Grow up. There's more to the world than the limitations you put on yourself and you should be ashamed for it.

(And hey, my art looks like total shit, but at least I know it take more effort to draw my art than some of those otakus. Also Hayao Miyazaki hates you).
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Sonicfanx1 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015
Haha.  Your comment actually gave me a laugh.  Coming from an..."Anime Fan", I will agree with you on most points.  Coming from someone who actually researched a little into how anime is made and drawn though...I'll have to disagree with a lot of your points (relating to the medium as a whole).  Drawing, sure.  That can be done.  Learning how to draw?  A lot harder.  Haven't gotten serious about it yet.

Actually animating it though, takes time, effort, dedication and love for the medium.  Frame by frame.  Sure, other people can do that.  Anime studios have an entire week to finish their animation and send it off to be voiced.  I will give you that a lot of the animation is bad, but given the time frame, I'm surprised that they actually bring something decent out...

Or it just turns into this: knowyourmeme.com/memes/dragon-…

As for the story.  JAPAN (not anime) is more lenient on their story telling.  They aren't scared of making some weird ass shit and are willing to..."experiment".

Relating to fans though, die hard fans exist everywhere.  You can see that in Video Games, you can see that in cartoons, you can see that in art, you can see that everywhere.  It's nothing too important.  Hell, most die hard fans are 10 year olds anyways.  And I will admit, those...kids...that try and failed to mimic the anime/manga style...they make me cringe and keep me up at night.  It scares me to know that somewhere in the vast multiverse, that there's a life form that can somehow sustain a head that big with a body so small (I'm talking about the "art" that has the "anime" head literally 3 times bigger than the body).
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EzPzNoobNewbGetRekt Featured By Owner Edited Sep 10, 2015  Student General Artist
LOOOOOOOOOL your art is totally the definition of shit lmfao! Pls just stop loooool! your drawing takes the least effort. A 5 year old kid can do better than u ROFL! Shhhh your statement is invalid when u have shit work. GTFO lol
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2015
....that your best?

I mean I can think of more credible arguments.
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EzPzNoobNewbGetRekt Featured By Owner Edited Sep 10, 2015  Student General Artist
Lol you talk so high about realism and anatomy but then...judging by your work, you can't even produce what you stated above lol. You want me to lie about your "art"? Should I say how detailed and realistic it is? Looool Stop being a hypocrite, your making a somewhat comic book and your bashing on people who can draw better than you rofl
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2015
Again, how is my artwork something you can use against me? I know it's shit. I wouldn't dare call my sketches "art".
Everyone starts somewhere of course. I have a long way to go if I continue to work on it.
That doesn't mean examples don't already exist or knowledge of such things.

You're just looking for excuses to not actually admit you are still wrong.
Come back when you got a stronger argument than "you're not a rocket scientist" and I'll consider your stance valid.
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EzPzNoobNewbGetRekt Featured By Owner Edited Sep 10, 2015  Student General Artist
"Everyone starts somewhere of course", then why are you being negative to people who draw manga style? Lol they have a start too apparently, coming from your statement. They can improve just as well as you. Stop evading what's true and putting me on the spot where I am wrong, stupid hypocrite lmao ;D tryna escape my argument with invalid responses. Lol you probably only saw manga drawings dat are really basic with no detail. Pls search thoroughly through deviantart or the Internet and see how manga style can be drawn and coloured properly :D
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Timewap1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2015
Except anime disregards basic art rules.
There are reasons why much of the anime drawn is pure shit. No adherence to realism, anatomy, perspective, etc.
It's an art form made to sell for mass consumption, not for artistic strides.
What exceptions you can find only strengthen my argument because those examples actually fall back on art foundation principles.

And if you don't think anime isn't a cheap art form, anime itself is based on old style MGM/Disney concepts from the 20s.
Which the former actually perfected over the decades while the latter didn't do shit with it.
Hell Japan's Edo style works are FAR superior in artistic endeavors, especially since most was made with wood blocks. Wrap your head around that.

If anime is art, then it is the lowest art style available. Only below 5 year old scribbles.
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EzPzNoobNewbGetRekt Featured By Owner Edited Sep 11, 2015  Student General Artist
However I'm not talking about the anime/manga being produced by massive companies because majority of it is shit. I'm mostly referring to individual artists/illustrators who produce "good" content and then being disregarded by somewhat art teacher and the media lool. In your perspective, Manga style is for mass consumption, others believe its a form of art style. You could say, it's your opinion but saying how it doesn't adhere anatomy and perspective is blasphemy. Without these "fundamentals" anime would probably be even worse than ever! lmao If your saying manga/anime doesn't use what you stated above then Disney/MGM cartoons would fall onto that category too. Both uses these fundamentals, end of. Only little kids doesn't start with the basics or "talented/skilled" people.
About that Japan's Edo style is superior...NO SHIT SHERLOCK LMAO.
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FeralFlame Featured By Owner Edited Jul 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The reason why many people debate whether manga can be considered an art style or not is because it is limited to drawn characters. Characters with a very limited amount of variation at that. I mean, come on, have you ever looked at the background to an image and said, "that looks manga style"? I like to watch anime as much as the next guy in my age group, but come on, admit it...the characters look too damn alike 75% of the time, and when the internet is debating character race in a show that is supposed to be parallel to real life, you've got a problem. Too often does every character in a show have a tiny pointed nose, shiny hair, and huge alien looking eyes. You could say it's supposed to be abstract, but having every being look nearly identical in a T.V. series that is supposed to represent real life? That's problematic. Of course, there are plenty of exceptions to the above that pull off the manga look while still having their characters look enough like actual human beings, but there simply isn't enough for there not be haters.
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ThePinkDreamCatcher Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I understand your point of view, but in a sense as well you've got to be very interested in the style in order to differentiate unique qualities. Like I can differentiate between Naruto, One piece, Karneval, Tokyo Ghoul etc, like most people can, as so with cartoons like adventure time, regular show, power puff girls, simpsons, etc but when it comes down to it, if I see adventure time, I'm going to say oh its a cartoon, they all look the same, with the same technique and distinct way to draw them. As well with abstract painting, most will be like oh thats like this one or that one, or just call it a painting and refer to famous artist like Van Gogh. Trying to be unique in a modernised world where it's hard to even create a song or username or trade mark that deems you as unique is difficult. There are growing manga/anime styles that are being developed and some of them are mix of different forms of art. I think maybe it can be repetitive if you think about new artists who have a skill in drawing manga/anime by specifically copying and not given an interest in other ways of drawing/art, but they'll learn that they need to have the fundamentals of different art forms and styles, and understand art terminology and concepts and the reasoning behind. Some cartoons are suppose to represent real life and are more disfigured than that of Manga, but I understand your point, it's hard though. Sometimes you've got to be totally dedicated to an art form to see the difference, and see how hard it is to differentiate yourselves from one another.  And how you spoke of the tiny nose, shiny hair, etc, maybe because that is the art style and it then becomes varied from artist to artist, like cartoons are usually disfigured or more rounded and it too may have larger eyes than normal, or painters looking like they paint exactly the same way and looks like another artist's style. Really, its just about perspective. My art teachers encourages 'normal' art fundamentals and manga, and consider it an art form(or style, whatever, im not fussed) of itself. And Japanese culture is definitely different from western culture, so it could also be the big culture differences that deem it as unique or different. In the end, art is a form of artistic expression, and you are the only one that determines what you interpret or understand.
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know, right? -.- That's why I do homeschool! People dismiss a gorgeous manga but are like "oh my god this is amazing" at modern art galleries where it is, say, a blue canvas with a purple streak across it called "Horse" and they get a whole bunch of recognition for it. Just doesn't seem fair to me.
I also went to Japan once and people were like that. Prissy, racist people who think that just because of our nationality we can't draw "their" art, that we're doing it "wrong".
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Adventureorrage Featured By Owner May 24, 2015  Hobbyist
 Hiroyuki Imaishi  draws anime, in his style, looks like cartoon and anime blended together.
I mean it doesn't look like normal anime style, different shapes and stuff.  
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UTAUVocaloidAnimeFan Featured By Owner May 12, 2015  Student General Artist
I laugh when people say that manga is easy and shouldn't be considered art. That means that Disney artists, comic book artists, cartoon animators, graphic design artists, game artists, and so on aren't creating art either. Heck, with that logic, only still-life, realistic drawing, and portraits would be considered real art. And even then, that's copying artists of the past. A style that everyone copies. Just because it's common and attempted by many doesn't mean that it's not art.

I once had a girl, one who had a more cartoon-ish style, tell me that her art style is more unique than mine because I drew anime, and that it wasn't art. She claimed I just copied and spent no time on developing a style, when I could probably find her "style" used by other, more advanced artists on Google. I got a real kick out of that one. Why do people think that, just because a general style is popular, that everything within it is unoriginal and not art?

I am currently going to an art high school, and only a small few (including me) have a style categorized as manga. Luckily, I've only been told that I had to branch from anime once by my teacher, but that doesn't excuse the subtle-yet-obvious dislike of the style by all of my teachers. I understand that, as artists, we have to venture into the unknown like hobbits and try out new things, but that doesn't mean shaping us like clay into something general. Everything is overused. That's no reason to hate manga. Sure, make one experiment, but don't erase their style.

Wow, we've ventured far off the path, haven't we? Well, back to the question: is manga easier? NO. It took me years to get where I am, and I get so mad when people compare me to the doodle done by the girl two desks over who traces an image on her computer screen onto notebook paper. It's just as hard as drawing realistically, and maybe harder than the cartoon styles we see on television today. And anyway, easy or not, art is a way of expressing oneself, and should not be judged simply by how that artists portrays their thoughts and ideas.
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Baki-Vids Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Hello there. Sorry about the long reply XD

I'm going to college and being taught by Disney animators and Video Game Artists.

They don't like anime/cartoon either, because it mainly focuses on a character, and from what they've said it seems they rather have people practice drawing an entire scene before they delve into the characters. As they said your character will look boring and childish without a decent set up. 

They also said they don't like kids starting with drawing anime/cartoon characters and not understanding how perspective works and body posture works. When starting college they had us completely stop drawing any anime/cartoon to break any bad habits we might've gotten while drawing on our own.

Unfortunately when art is ranked in difficulty. Drawing realistic art is the easiest and the first thing colleges will have you turn in. Next easiest is pop art or "anime/cartoon". The hardest of art is painting and the last one is animation. Painting is difficult because you only have four colors to work with and you can't fix a screw up. Animation is difficult because of the sheer amount of art needed to complete it.

Anime/cartoon art isn't bad, but it's considered gross art by artists, because of how easy it is to draw. I'm not saying that from my experience. I spent a long time drawing anime as the next guy, but if you ever meet a Disney animator or any big time animator, they can churn out a beautiful anime/cartoon drawings in seconds. They don't need references or anything and they say it as it is for them and the industry. Keep in mind you have to compete with people like that. People who can draw different manga and anime styles in seconds, while you struggle over years to get it done. 

As for style, it is very hard to see style in cartoons/anime. People who live in the America's typically can't see the difference in anime styles. They more easily recognize cartoon styles. People in Japan notice the differences in anime styles more than they do in cartoon styles. Depending on where you live, an art teacher may direct you in a path where money is to be made. If you live in the America's or Europe they'll recommend you draw cartoon and if you live in Japan they'll recommend anime. Painting and drawing from life is highly recommended by art teachers, because you can sell a painting or drawing anywhere, and typically at a high price since the age range looking to buy paintings is older and they have money to spend. You can charge 300$ for a dumb drawing of a tree and someone will eventually buy it. Anime/Cartoon on the other hand sells for 20$ a piece or less. Not that anime/cartoon isn't an art form, but it's because the main audience for that art is children and children don't have much money to spend.

There is a science behind it too. Paintings last a long time, while anime/cartoon's while eventually fade into obscurity. 

A good tip is to not limit yourself just to anime and manga. Remember to branch out. Practice doing drawings and paintings too. Try doing cartoon art. The more art experience you have the better an artist you'll become. 

Another good tip is if someone can't see your art style or know what your drawing from the get go, something is wrong and needs to be fixed. You want your art to stand out and you want to convey what you are thinking in your art. One of my professors said it very nicely, which is art is a language and you have to speak it correctly and you want your voice to be heard. Art style is like your voice and the art itself is the language. If someone can't hear your voice, you want to make it louder. Make your art stick out of the crowd more. It'll pay off.

I've been in a similar situation as yours. Where someone looked at my cartoon art and said... It has no style, it looks like a typical cartoon. It hurts, but I decided to work on my style more and people now compliment on how different my art looks and I can actually make new styles on a whim from the amount of practice I've done. It's a good skill to have.

Drawing from reality really helps too with improving style. You start from what you see and then remove details and exaggerate things you want exaggerated. 

Ah, I'm rambling. I just thought I would let you know. I don't think the art teachers are out to spite you or anything.

 
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
NEVER listen to anyone who EVER says the phrase "draw anime". They don't know shit about anime/manga and therefore have no right to judge you and your art style. People who say "anime art style" prob know what they're talking about, because animation is a form of art.
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The-Tabbycat-Witch Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015  Student Filmographer
I think that their main problem is not that they think it's easy, but because it's extremely overdone. A vast majority of the people at my school who enjoy art draw in a variation of an anime/manga style. Certainly you will see other styles that have been used by many people (Disney being the primary example), but they're never quite as overdone as manga. Many western styles are unique to one company or show, while manga/anime is seen frequently throughout multiple companies and shows. Plus, western styles tend to have more noticeable diversity between characters (not always, but generally) and are less likely to make all of their characters attractive. Don't compare the appearances of protagonists, but compare side characters instead. Excluding comic books, the side characters will often look very different from the main characters. Therefore, animes tend to rely more on color schemes and outfit/hairstyle choices to differentiate their characters. Though many animes do give facial distinction to their characters and I could recognize them right off the bat, I've seen more extreme examples in western cartoons. I'm certain, however, that if someone had a style that resembled anime/manga but had extreme character variations and avoided making all of their characters look attractive that the teachers would be at least a bit more lenient.
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ThePrinceofFlames Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Anime/Manga is art. Look at art in Full Metal Alchemist, In Gundam, in Monster, Death Note, and in any anime. Pandora Hearts is my favorite because the author goes out of her way to put as much detail in her art and charactets as possible. None of them look alike, none of them are stereotypes, they all look human to my eyes. I love the variety of expressions in anime, I love the beauty of the storytelling, I love how creative it all is. Art is art, whether it be comics, manga, sculpting, painting, carvings, dadaism, surrealism. There's no solid definition on what is and isn't art. 

It's just stupid that people don't respect animation as a valid art form. As a fan of anime, manga, comics, and art in general, I am disgusted that they would do that. 
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kaylaantonio Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I AGREE
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ThePrinceofFlames Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
I know, right? Here in the states, animation's seen as a kiddy thing and not anything for adults. I Pity their ignorance...
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crazysakuru Featured By Owner Edited Jan 26, 2015  Student General Artist
It sucks having to go through that. Though to a certain degree I can understand why art teachers/art uni are like "You gotta learn this!" Because it's a fundamental. You learn the fundamentals and it's up the artist if they want to break it or not. 

But to the other people who think anime/manga is a lack of skill and/or think it requires less effort then they haven't seen other artists then. I've seen SOOO many artists who done beautiful work that requires A LOT of effort and lots of skill! They forget it's not all about picking up a pencil and applying that to a piece of paper. No. Artists in general put in their time and effort to get to where they are at. And there are still other artists who are trying to find their own style! 

And it's so cool to see an artist's style! Because every style is different even though it's under this "anime/manga" umbrella. It's kinda like drawing a still life of an apple on a desk. You can tell other people's styles even though it's a freakin' still life of a freakin' apple lol.

(Sorry, wanted to put my tiny 2 cents in here haha)
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SnipTheWorm Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There was never "freedom of expression".
NEVER.

I should say that since anime is an art style to me (and there are many styles that exist within it), I think that they want people to try something else, instead of something they've become too familiar with.

It might be a good idea to venture into other forms, but damn you to hell if you disagree with this: If that's the type of artist they want to be, SO BE IT.
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VixyGamingWarrior Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think its because they want you to develop your own style, but I think anime is a good stepping stone to make your own style, mine is kinda anime, but more realistic with ought as much exaggerated features.
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VixyGamingWarrior Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OMFG
I heard someone behind my back saying Big eyes people are not a style of art..



SAY THAT TO JAPAN DAMNIT!
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If they refer to anime/manga as "big eyes people" tell them to fuck off and that they don't know anything about anime/manga.
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FeralFlame Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually, "big eyes people" is pretty damn accurate most of the time. The eyes are the first thing people notice, the first thing you mention when asked "How is this style different?". It's a little too close to the truth to be considered insulting. Of course, this doesn't apply everywhere, as there is plenty of anime and manga that pulls off the style while keeping the eyes, hair and breasts under control. An example would be AoT.
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Saaally Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
sorry to jump in here but i think i have a summarized answer xD

the problem with anime when it comes to art classes is not that it is "easy" or ugly [it's not, not necessarily], the problem is that students who are into manga often started off with that [meaning they have no foundation and are "copying" someone else's style] and wanna do JUST that and don't understand how immensely important it is to understand anatomy properly BEFORE you distort it to play with different styles such as manga [or disney, or adventure time, what have you, but manga is a lot more popular so it gets the most attention].

also the difference between manga and western comics is that the later is a lot more realistic.
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know this journal is old but I kind of wanna share my opinion :P

It's because they want you to develop your own style.
Anime is overused and sure art should be a form of freedom but you also have to be unique.
This is a situation that happens to me all the time:

I meet a new person
Person: I love your drawings! I actually draw too and I love to draw :D

Me: oh really cool! Can you show me some of your drawings?

Person (opens up her folder/sketchbook of a bunch of Anime Drawings)

Every time I meet someone who says they know how to draw and they do it well, I see lots of anime in their sketchbooks. Sure it's well drawn but does it hurt to be creative with your own style?
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even so...not everyone draws anime/manga the same way every has their own unique twists to how they do it...people who do realism or photography are considered unique but people who do manga or comics are considered unoriginal.....kind of unfair to say. sure any artist could do realism or photography or painting if they tried but if one of their strengths is manga or comic art then why not help them build on that strength instead of telling them that their not creative or that you don't want to see it....manga and comics don't have a default each mangaka or comic artist has a different way of drawing things so telling them they're not unique or creative is a little unfair...sorry i'm ranting.
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I feel the same towards photography. But the thing with Anime/manga is that you're using someone else's style of drawing and to most people, all anime feels the same. Big sparkly eyes, spikey hair, etc. are what people will see and say, oh this is anime. It's pretty, yeah but you're not being creative enough. It's like a "Been there, done that" situation. No matter how unique you're trying to be with anime/manga, they'll think the same way. Think of it this way. It's better to be recognized for something you created on your very own. You're there to impress the people at art schools.
There are some people who just draw anime/manga. That's all they do. Ask them to draw something else, most of them won't be able to. If you want to do comic art, you're going to have to learn how to draw in other styles too. That's why in college you get to take special classes from animation,photography, and fashion design to graphic design, illustration and fine art.

There's an art high school in my city and in 8th grade I was going to apply to go there. I didn't because it didn't allow illustration. Just fine art, music, and acting. There are more options in colleges.

I don't draw anime/manga. I'm not against it either. I just prefer not to draw it because I don't want to be another apple from the bunch. I'd rather be unique from everyone else and be recognized for something I created.

The first person who created the anime/manga style probably felt unique. It was his/her creation and guess what, other people decided to follow because they love the design.

Try to make your illustrations and art something people will admire and mimic in the future ;)
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's the same with every style of drawing it's ALL been done before....but it's possible to be unique with other styles except manga? it makes no sense to me at all. the only thing you can do is put a unique twist on a style that's already been invented....which is somehow okay if it's not manga....I think people are just trying to find a way to kill off this art style just because it's popular and lotss of people want to get into this types of thing: animation or making web comics.....
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Look at the guy who created Adventure time. He came up with something unique and it's HIS creation. If someone were to put fanart or similar style to that in their portfolio to art school, they'll be denied.

It's all about what type of art classes you choose too.

I'm sticking to my opinion on anime/manga the way it is. I honestly think it's very overused.
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Ronerk Featured By Owner Edited Oct 2, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I don't think you can say that something can be unique like it was a fact, i'm sure that nothing can be 100% original, and not every manga art looks as unoriginal as you say, genericity doesn't always make something uncreative or enough unoriginal to be considered "not good", a work of art doesn't need to be extremely new or somethings that absolutely never existed before to count as original.

And about "The first person who created the anime/manga style probably felt unique" That guy you're talking about is Ozamu Tezuka, and his style is notoriously influenced by Disney's art style, i wouldn't say that his style is unoriginal, but its not unique either lol.
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm still not a fan of anime/manga. They all still look the same to me. Yes, there's influence but you still have to make sure your work stands out from the rest if you want to be successful about it. Art schools are SUPER competitive and they'd only accept someone's work that'll capture their eye.
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Ronerk Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Yet there are "manga artists" that are susesfull, even some non-japanese people lol, and i've seen manga that has some originality despiting having some genericism, aren't the art schools you're talking about being more demanding than they should? The art school where i study art is not that demanding, in that one teachers even teach a painting style that is very generic in my country rofl.
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
if you've every seen one piece, naruto, bleach, death note, tokyo ghoul, or even attack on titan ou know that each of those series' artists style of manga is very different...manga does not have a single default style but everyone who doesn't read it doesn't seem to think so...everything that's popular is either overused or overhyped for some reason...i'm not putting every other type of art down i'm just saying it's unfair to say that using a manga style of art is not uncreative in fact it can be very creative once someone discovers THEIR style of it just like cartoons....people once said walt disney was uncreative and had no good ideas....
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
^exactly. If you think all anime/manga is the same, you are a poser who thinks they know everything. Go watch some ToraDora or The Devil is a Part-Timer! and you'll see that all the main characters have different proportions and none of them have spiky hair. I've been watching and drawing anime/manga for about ten years. Believe me, I know. Some anime all have the same proportions, but have amazing plotlines and you can tell a lot of thought was put into the story (Puella Magi Madoka Magica).
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