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((I'm writing an article on the topic. Do YOU think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?))




Hi guys! I need your help!

I recently enrolled into uni to study digital art and design and I was faced with this big fat stigma against manga-style arts. I've decided to write an article about it for my course's blog and I WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
Because me, I just don't get why is it that Western cartoon style is acceptable and anime/manga style isn't. And why art tutors say things like "Oh, we'll have to beat it [anime] out of you, then" to students who admit they like anime/manga.

Why black splatters on white paper have a profound meaning while a complex illustration is dismissed as a piece of crap, non-art, just because it is drawn in manga style?
What the heck happened to the freedom of expression, anyway?
I knew most art schools are not in love with anime/manga style, but I just honestly wasn't expecting such open, well, hostility, for the lack of a better word. And not just amongst the staff, but a big part of the student body as well. It just makes me sad. But that's beside the point.

The most common misconception seems to be that people who draw in anime/manga style are shit artists otherwise, that drawing in anime/manga style is as indication of lack of skill.

Thus the question: Do you think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?

Also, if you have any experiences of people dissing anime/manga as a form of art in general, please do share. If you remember even approximately what somebody said about it, please quote.

Thank you for your help. : )
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WRONG. I'm a 10th grader. Even though my goal is to work with Japanese animation, I also draw realistic things and also draw from observations.  I have been studying the work of Japanese animation since I was only 6 years old and there is a lot more work that goes into it that others do not truly realize. All manga differ in style and artists must find out which style fits their unique artwork. In order to become a mangaka, MANY artists study the anatomy of human beings in order to perfect movements and the proportions of bodies in order to make their artwork seem less fictional and more realistic. In order to create this form of art, different screen tones, layers, and materials are used. Each stroke of a brush and each mark with ink matters. We draw this style in order to improve our art which is no easy feat. Sometimes I find drawing anime more difficult than realistic drawings because you have to THINK What style goes with this character? You have to check the anatomy and make sure it matches even though it is not wholly based on human features, and if you make a manga, style and personality must match and be balanced otherwise it wouldn't go. Screen tones must stand out from each other and there are MANY details, especially if you look at the work of Yoshiki Nakamura. For people who look down on this unique and special art form, I want to tell you THIS. Anime is no less of an art form than any other, a lot of time and effort goes into certain pieces and a lot of thought goes into just a character's expression. Instead of copying or observing, anime and manga art work come from the imagination and even in doujinshi's, art work differs from the creator's real style. I think this art work is absolutely stunning and beautiful to the point that it almost brings me to tears just knowing that people actually look down on it. Through this art, mangaka's and other fans of it are able to express how they feel to others and also their own situations in life. THIS art strongly projects the thoughts and feelings of the illustrator and brings others through a form of storytelling that may sometimes even be similar to situations they have been through. Not all anime are like Pokemon and Sailor Moon, if you actually researched it there are MANY MANY FORMS! Without a storyboard, just a mere drawing of anime can tell you a whole story. I will no longer accept people looking down on this precious form of art. Here in America people get payed big money for things like Family Guy even though it has VERY simple art, while people who strive to work with anime/manga work just to get their thoughts into the hands of the readers/watchers gain little pay since the big money goes to the companies. For all you out there criticizing anime and manga, what exactly makes you think it's so simple?! Do you actually draw it? If no, then research i more before you go out and criticizing it, though you believe just splattered paint is an art. A 2 year old could do that -__-. Have you looked at the work of Arina tanemura and the backgrounds made by Masashi Kishimoto. If you don't even pay attention to this artform, then frankly, you have no right to be talking down on it and praising splatter paintings. ANYTHING is art if you look at other art forms in the world. LEARN more before you open your mouths. Sayonara-Chantel
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fablesh Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

Hmm this seems like an old question but I still want to gibe my own onion. I am a traditional artist and work in all sorts of media. I personally have not seen sharp tongues pointed towards Anime/Manga styled artist’s. I cannot see why someone would despise a style just because of it’s style. In my onion I believe that most of the negative feedback that Anime/Manga style art gets is just dumb and unreasonable. If one can make art from dots, slash's and trash, then why should anime styled art be any less. "Sophistication, traditional rules, and the use of such is why that is art, you just don't get it" would be a raison used to deny Anime/Manga as a form of art. What I am getting at is that it doesn't matter if its simple or repetitive, anything can be considered art. To frown at Anime/Manga styled art is to frown at all modern art, seems a bit steep but there is a raison for my words. The birth of modern art began a little bit after the Romanticism and Neoclassical movement's with the creation of Impressionism, the transition between realism and impression for a simpler explanation. We owe a lot to these movements because it caused a spark in the art world that questioned art as a whole. One of the original Impressionist went by the name of Edouard Manet. His style of art broke the barriers that allowed all modern art to blossom and become what it is today. One thing that had a great deal of influence on artist like Manet was Japanese art in the form of prints. These Prints made their way into the hands of artist's via travel and trade. Japanese prints have been around for ages and usually depicts a "moment in time” scene or tries to capture a whole story in one frame. These works influenced impressionism with its flat one spaced composition. Works such as Olympia express a flatness that is apparent in both In Japanese prints and Anime/Manga styled art. Another piece of evidence that Japanese art had on the Impressionist Manet is Zola which has a Japanese print of a Wrestler by Utagawa Kuniaki II. Manga is essentially a creation from the direct influence of Japanese prints and is said to originate from a scroll dating to the 12th century, clearly manga isn’t something new. The earliest manga to gain fame are such titles as Osamu Tezuka's Mighty Atom, Astro boy, which helped japan during the hard times of the atomic bomb aftermath. Manga eventually lead to anime, which technically both are the same in style. All forms of art, including digital art, had a moment when it was rejected and not considered an art form or media. If someone can make art with feces or vomit and sale for thousands then why should Anime/Manga styled art not bet valued for its artistic value; and yes, there is feces and vomit art, google it. Artist like Andy Warhol used comic and comic styled art and he is extremely famous with works easily hitting 10 million ducks a “pop.” The last thing to be said is that in order for something to be considered art it needs to follow certain rules. That does not mean that one is imprisoned to certain boundaries because abstract art also follows these rules and can sometimes loks like scribbles at times. In the end, just do what you want, learn from your mistakes, learn more of the modern art world, and never give up because only you can stop yourself from succeeding.     

Best of luck, some random Fish o3o

P.S vomit art is a real and weird thing, idk why but yeah here is an example, and yes ppl pay big ducks for it, idk.....



www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/art…
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OpenDrawer Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The reason teachers hate most anime "art" is because it is repetitive, shows very little self expression and a very limited skill set. Their pictures often consist of big eyes, stupid cartoony grins, bulbous heads, a single front perspective, and plain backgrounds. My feeling is that rather than a desire to learn self expression, these students have a desire to impress their anime-loving friends with their skills. They learn very little in art school because all of their art focuses on a single limited subject matter, and they refuse to draw anything that doesn't relate to their love for anime. Manga figures are usually the only thing these kids become good at drawing, and they never develop their own style. 

In most drawing classes the teacher is attempting to teach kids realism, perspective, self expression, and originality. This becomes impossible when the students just refuse to listen so that they can grind away at their often uninspired, comfort-zone manga drawings. 

This is not to say there aren't talented manga artists - there are. I am just saying that from experience most of them are not motivated to learn properly and never do.

And then they get upset when the teacher isn't impressed with their mediocre work. Stupid Me! 
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Sky-of-ragnarok Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Student General Artist
My opinion on it is since it doesn't really respect anatomy or sometimes gravity (crazy hairdos sometimes xD) it won't get you as far as you expect in the art industry. Most art companies will require anatomy studies, animals, paintings and realistic stuff in a future artist's portfolios and most people who draw anime/manga, don't draw anything else. But there are exceptions of course ;)
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Lover-of-Music Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Student General Artist
I do think it's due to the anatomy in it.  


Also, I'm pretty sure if you want to draw anime style, it'd be better to get your name out there for something else then tell them "aye, mangu and animu is where it's at mangs."
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MikuMikuMiku3000 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's so dumb because I tryed to get into a artist high school and I didn't get in because I draw anime and cartoons!!!  But i'm glad I didnt go because my school has a Japanese club and were going to start a fandom club too! But what we need to talk about is the people who say that anine is only anime if its from Japan by someone Japanese ! Now that's dumb its like saying tacos are only tacos if there were made in Mexico by someone Mexican!!! No tacos are tacos no matter were they came from or who it was made by same thing with anime!!!
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Velithe Featured By Owner May 26, 2014
It's a funny thing 'cause I'm from Mexico and I had to deal with the same situation here, I think it's something that happens in art universities from many countries and I still don't understand why, 'cause here in deviant we've seen lots of awsome pieces in anime-manga styles, I think that it's just that art teachers were raised with other influences and they don't like it 'cause they don't get it (at least I think that was my case) but I think that if you talk with some first-category artist that works for disney for example, they won't have the same prejudice. Mybe it's just something generational

PD sorry for my crappy english I try my best
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Well it's not just drawing. I've come across an art school student who claims that I have no talent and everything I write is shit because it's not in the style of Tolken or Steven King. Due to me adding in a sort of anime style in regards to characters reactions and mannerisms. I was also told that I should quit, never write again, and get a real job.

But who knows it also could have been because I insulted his favorite youtuber. Because that's where his "honest criticism" came up in the first place.
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yes it is less effort because because drawing anime is simplified, and stylized. There are so many wrinkles and parts, lines and other things that it excludes; check out Marvel and DC artwork for yourself. Sure you have to understand basic proportions and anatomy to draw anime too, but It's still stylized. Every life drawing professor keeps telling me to stop drawing those cartoons/ anime whatever and draw realistic before i draw my own style because once. My drawing professor just the other day told the class that they look at people who can draw realistic still life/ life drawings, get interviewed first and the others who draw cartoons only, etc get interviewed last. I don't know about that so don't take me to serious on that part. 

Here's more info on styles.


have fun and good luck in art university!
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xAoibarax Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Student General Artist
I was just reading this journal, and I found your comment. And although I am not yet in college, I notice what you are saying is quite true.

I was at a mini college interview, and this admin representative checked my artworks (I only had one anime artwork there.), he loved all of them (Realism fyi) except for one, which was the anime one of course.  There were also other students having their stuff checked out, and I realized that he even disliked the cartoon styled works.  So, judging from what you say, just simply avoid anything stylized in art schools? I did some research and not only art schools condemn anime, but even American cartoon styles.
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