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((I'm writing an article on the topic. Do YOU think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?))




Hi guys! I need your help!

I recently enrolled into uni to study digital art and design and I was faced with this big fat stigma against manga-style arts. I've decided to write an article about it for my course's blog and I WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
Because me, I just don't get why is it that Western cartoon style is acceptable and anime/manga style isn't. And why art tutors say things like "Oh, we'll have to beat it [anime] out of you, then" to students who admit they like anime/manga.

Why black splatters on white paper have a profound meaning while a complex illustration is dismissed as a piece of crap, non-art, just because it is drawn in manga style?
What the heck happened to the freedom of expression, anyway?
I knew most art schools are not in love with anime/manga style, but I just honestly wasn't expecting such open, well, hostility, for the lack of a better word. And not just amongst the staff, but a big part of the student body as well. It just makes me sad. But that's beside the point.

The most common misconception seems to be that people who draw in anime/manga style are shit artists otherwise, that drawing in anime/manga style is as indication of lack of skill.

Thus the question: Do you think drawing in manga style requires less effort than drawing in other styles?

Also, if you have any experiences of people dissing anime/manga as a form of art in general, please do share. If you remember even approximately what somebody said about it, please quote.

Thank you for your help. : )
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know, right? -.- That's why I do homeschool! People dismiss a gorgeous manga but are like "oh my god this is amazing" at modern art galleries where it is, say, a blue canvas with a purple streak across it called "Horse" and they get a whole bunch of recognition for it. Just doesn't seem fair to me.
I also went to Japan once and people were like that. Prissy, racist people who think that just because of our nationality we can't draw "their" art, that we're doing it "wrong".
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Adventureorrage Featured By Owner May 24, 2015  Hobbyist
 Hiroyuki Imaishi  draws anime, in his style, looks like cartoon and anime blended together.
I mean it doesn't look like normal anime style, different shapes and stuff.  
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UTAUVocaloidAnimeFan Featured By Owner May 12, 2015  Student General Artist
I laugh when people say that manga is easy and shouldn't be considered art. That means that Disney artists, comic book artists, cartoon animators, graphic design artists, game artists, and so on aren't creating art either. Heck, with that logic, only still-life, realistic drawing, and portraits would be considered real art. And even then, that's copying artists of the past. A style that everyone copies. Just because it's common and attempted by many doesn't mean that it's not art.

I once had a girl, one who had a more cartoon-ish style, tell me that her art style is more unique than mine because I drew anime, and that it wasn't art. She claimed I just copied and spent no time on developing a style, when I could probably find her "style" used by other, more advanced artists on Google. I got a real kick out of that one. Why do people think that, just because a general style is popular, that everything within it is unoriginal and not art?

I am currently going to an art high school, and only a small few (including me) have a style categorized as manga. Luckily, I've only been told that I had to branch from anime once by my teacher, but that doesn't excuse the subtle-yet-obvious dislike of the style by all of my teachers. I understand that, as artists, we have to venture into the unknown like hobbits and try out new things, but that doesn't mean shaping us like clay into something general. Everything is overused. That's no reason to hate manga. Sure, make one experiment, but don't erase their style.

Wow, we've ventured far off the path, haven't we? Well, back to the question: is manga easier? NO. It took me years to get where I am, and I get so mad when people compare me to the doodle done by the girl two desks over who traces an image on her computer screen onto notebook paper. It's just as hard as drawing realistically, and maybe harder than the cartoon styles we see on television today. And anyway, easy or not, art is a way of expressing oneself, and should not be judged simply by how that artists portrays their thoughts and ideas.
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
NEVER listen to anyone who EVER says the phrase "draw anime". They don't know shit about anime/manga and therefore have no right to judge you and your art style. People who say "anime art style" prob know what they're talking about, because animation is a form of art.
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The-Tabbycat-Witch Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015  Student General Artist
I think that their main problem is not that they think it's easy, but because it's extremely overdone. A vast majority of the people at my school who enjoy art draw in a variation of an anime/manga style. Certainly you will see other styles that have been used by many people (Disney being the primary example), but they're never quite as overdone as manga. Many western styles are unique to one company or show, while manga/anime is seen frequently throughout multiple companies and shows. Plus, western styles tend to have more noticeable diversity between characters (not always, but generally) and are less likely to make all of their characters attractive. Don't compare the appearances of protagonists, but compare side characters instead. Excluding comic books, the side characters will often look very different from the main characters. Therefore, animes tend to rely more on color schemes and outfit/hairstyle choices to differentiate their characters. Though many animes do give facial distinction to their characters and I could recognize them right off the bat, I've seen more extreme examples in western cartoons. I'm certain, however, that if someone had a style that resembled anime/manga but had extreme character variations and avoided making all of their characters look attractive that the teachers would be at least a bit more lenient.
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ThePrinceofFlames Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Anime/Manga is art. Look at art in Full Metal Alchemist, In Gundam, in Monster, Death Note, and in any anime. Pandora Hearts is my favorite because the author goes out of her way to put as much detail in her art and charactets as possible. None of them look alike, none of them are stereotypes, they all look human to my eyes. I love the variety of expressions in anime, I love the beauty of the storytelling, I love how creative it all is. Art is art, whether it be comics, manga, sculpting, painting, carvings, dadaism, surrealism. There's no solid definition on what is and isn't art. 

It's just stupid that people don't respect animation as a valid art form. As a fan of anime, manga, comics, and art in general, I am disgusted that they would do that. 
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crazysakuru Featured By Owner Edited Jan 26, 2015  Student General Artist
It sucks having to go through that. Though to a certain degree I can understand why art teachers/art uni are like "You gotta learn this!" Because it's a fundamental. You learn the fundamentals and it's up the artist if they want to break it or not. 

But to the other people who think anime/manga is a lack of skill and/or think it requires less effort then they haven't seen other artists then. I've seen SOOO many artists who done beautiful work that requires A LOT of effort and lots of skill! They forget it's not all about picking up a pencil and applying that to a piece of paper. No. Artists in general put in their time and effort to get to where they are at. And there are still other artists who are trying to find their own style! 

And it's so cool to see an artist's style! Because every style is different even though it's under this "anime/manga" umbrella. It's kinda like drawing a still life of an apple on a desk. You can tell other people's styles even though it's a freakin' still life of a freakin' apple lol.

(Sorry, wanted to put my tiny 2 cents in here haha)
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SnipTheWorm Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There was never "freedom of expression".
NEVER.

I should say that since anime is an art style to me (and there are many styles that exist within it), I think that they want people to try something else, instead of something they've become too familiar with.

It might be a good idea to venture into other forms, but damn you to hell if you disagree with this: If that's the type of artist they want to be, SO BE IT.
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VixyGamingWarrior Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think its because they want you to develop your own style, but I think anime is a good stepping stone to make your own style, mine is kinda anime, but more realistic with ought as much exaggerated features.
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VixyGamingWarrior Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OMFG
I heard someone behind my back saying Big eyes people are not a style of art..



SAY THAT TO JAPAN DAMNIT!
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If they refer to anime/manga as "big eyes people" tell them to fuck off and that they don't know anything about anime/manga.
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Saaally Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
sorry to jump in here but i think i have a summarized answer xD

the problem with anime when it comes to art classes is not that it is "easy" or ugly [it's not, not necessarily], the problem is that students who are into manga often started off with that [meaning they have no foundation and are "copying" someone else's style] and wanna do JUST that and don't understand how immensely important it is to understand anatomy properly BEFORE you distort it to play with different styles such as manga [or disney, or adventure time, what have you, but manga is a lot more popular so it gets the most attention].

also the difference between manga and western comics is that the later is a lot more realistic.
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know this journal is old but I kind of wanna share my opinion :P

It's because they want you to develop your own style.
Anime is overused and sure art should be a form of freedom but you also have to be unique.
This is a situation that happens to me all the time:

I meet a new person
Person: I love your drawings! I actually draw too and I love to draw :D

Me: oh really cool! Can you show me some of your drawings?

Person (opens up her folder/sketchbook of a bunch of Anime Drawings)

Every time I meet someone who says they know how to draw and they do it well, I see lots of anime in their sketchbooks. Sure it's well drawn but does it hurt to be creative with your own style?
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even so...not everyone draws anime/manga the same way every has their own unique twists to how they do it...people who do realism or photography are considered unique but people who do manga or comics are considered unoriginal.....kind of unfair to say. sure any artist could do realism or photography or painting if they tried but if one of their strengths is manga or comic art then why not help them build on that strength instead of telling them that their not creative or that you don't want to see it....manga and comics don't have a default each mangaka or comic artist has a different way of drawing things so telling them they're not unique or creative is a little unfair...sorry i'm ranting.
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I feel the same towards photography. But the thing with Anime/manga is that you're using someone else's style of drawing and to most people, all anime feels the same. Big sparkly eyes, spikey hair, etc. are what people will see and say, oh this is anime. It's pretty, yeah but you're not being creative enough. It's like a "Been there, done that" situation. No matter how unique you're trying to be with anime/manga, they'll think the same way. Think of it this way. It's better to be recognized for something you created on your very own. You're there to impress the people at art schools.
There are some people who just draw anime/manga. That's all they do. Ask them to draw something else, most of them won't be able to. If you want to do comic art, you're going to have to learn how to draw in other styles too. That's why in college you get to take special classes from animation,photography, and fashion design to graphic design, illustration and fine art.

There's an art high school in my city and in 8th grade I was going to apply to go there. I didn't because it didn't allow illustration. Just fine art, music, and acting. There are more options in colleges.

I don't draw anime/manga. I'm not against it either. I just prefer not to draw it because I don't want to be another apple from the bunch. I'd rather be unique from everyone else and be recognized for something I created.

The first person who created the anime/manga style probably felt unique. It was his/her creation and guess what, other people decided to follow because they love the design.

Try to make your illustrations and art something people will admire and mimic in the future ;)
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's the same with every style of drawing it's ALL been done before....but it's possible to be unique with other styles except manga? it makes no sense to me at all. the only thing you can do is put a unique twist on a style that's already been invented....which is somehow okay if it's not manga....I think people are just trying to find a way to kill off this art style just because it's popular and lotss of people want to get into this types of thing: animation or making web comics.....
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candycorporation Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Look at the guy who created Adventure time. He came up with something unique and it's HIS creation. If someone were to put fanart or similar style to that in their portfolio to art school, they'll be denied.

It's all about what type of art classes you choose too.

I'm sticking to my opinion on anime/manga the way it is. I honestly think it's very overused.
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DemonAccel Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
if you've every seen one piece, naruto, bleach, death note, tokyo ghoul, or even attack on titan ou know that each of those series' artists style of manga is very different...manga does not have a single default style but everyone who doesn't read it doesn't seem to think so...everything that's popular is either overused or overhyped for some reason...i'm not putting every other type of art down i'm just saying it's unfair to say that using a manga style of art is not uncreative in fact it can be very creative once someone discovers THEIR style of it just like cartoons....people once said walt disney was uncreative and had no good ideas....
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Edited Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
^exactly. If you think all anime/manga is the same, you are a poser who thinks they know everything. Go watch some ToraDora or The Devil is a Part-Timer! and you'll see that all the main characters have different proportions and none of them have spiky hair. I've been watching and drawing anime/manga for about ten years. Believe me, I know. Some anime all have the same proportions, but have amazing plotlines and you can tell a lot of thought was put into the story (Puella Magi Madoka Magica).
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shoba5 Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2014
Any type of drawing takes effort.
if you ask me, I think that cartoons take the least amount of work to draw. They have simple designs and sometimes even simpler backgrounds.
Maybe art schools don't like anime because of hentai or ecchi artists. Not all anime artists are like that! If they don't like us drawing nude anime girls then they should look at the nudes they draw. 
Anime can portray amazing stories. I bet that not one of those art schools have heard of madoka magica, fate zero, or fullmetal alchemist.
They tell us to think of what a painting means instead of what it looks like, but they don't listen to to themselves. Anime might look like if doesn't take effort to draw, but when you go into the mechanics of it, it more complex than you thought
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EasterlyArt Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2014  Professional General Artist
The opinions I express are from my own personal experience with this question, seeing from the inside and outside. I've gone to college for art, and have gotten a very good grasp on a lot of the points that revolve around this topic.

This honestly should be a fundamental lesson for art teachers to add to their curriculum for students in High school so they can better understand why. Also, so that teacher have the stick up their ass moved a couple of inches down so their not trying to take it out on some inspiring artist (teachers can be butts).

The bottom line why anime/manga styles are not generally accepted at the high school level is because art teachers want to make sure you understand the fundamentals of observational drawing and know "why" things look they way they do so later on you can break it down for your own work. Once you have a solid grasp of that, applying what you learned to your work will show drastic improvements, it certainly did for me (granted I don't have any current work on my page that exemplifies that).

You can still have down right amazing skills as a manga artist, but cultures outside of Japan do not have the same approach due to different things being exposed in every day culture. In the USA and Europe, many of the "greats" have had a major influence on the structure of artistic skill development, and because of this, having a foreign style influence kids at an early age may make it difficult for teachers to teach kids the "fundamentals". Though even in Japan, as far as I have heard and read about, art classes are not taught with a manga style. Rather, they use the same fundamental observational drawing approach.

The reason paint splatter nonsense is even a thing is because it emulates more modern/contemporary works that you would see in an art gallery and are celebrated beyond belief because they are fine arts. Manga and even comic books are commercial arts, and not fine arts. The two have differing purposes and generally have a major rift between the two. A lot of art teachers in high school, and no offense to art teachers in high school, and artist who couldn't make it as fine artist on a grand scale and ended up choosing art education as a second choice (alternatively they wanted to teach from the get go).

I can even see the person who wrote this post changed their style to a more westernized look, and I'm guessing that art college had probably had an influence on you.

In the end, if want to work professionally with a "manga" like style, you need to learn to balance the fundamentals with what you want to do with your own work. The marketability of the manga style is still lacking as the proficiency of the art form is still Japanese in origin and the market has not been opened up too greatly in other parts of the world for Non Native Japanese artist. The only markets I can think of that do appreciate it is comic books and video games. I have personally seen a lot of people who had a desire to use a "manga" style take up a sort of Disney style (my opinion, and legitimately something that happens) after going to art college. Professors try to bash in their personal belief system so that students have more of a chance to make a career, and more than anything is artist getting shoved off to Disney boot camp. I've seen the anime looking bodies with the realistic noses and hyper shading looks getting extremely popular as of recent, overshadowing the desire to use a manga style.

As far as whether or not "manga/anime" style requires less effort, that is incorrect. There isn't much else to say really because everything takes a lot of effort until you get the hang of it. Though there is a super awesome secret that artist learn as they go to college or in high school: YOU CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER! Bottom line is that once you're done with a piece, you need to think "I need to do something better than this now", which forces you to push the envelope on your work. Skill building is a never ending battle!

Summary:
  1. Learn the fundamentals and do your own thing, otherwise just become another cog in the works for a major company.
  2. Art teachers in high school can be incredibly butt hurt about this subject and give kids the wrong information, demonizing anime/manga all together.
  3. Always push for improvement because being contempt will be your downfall!
  4. Art is subjective, but still has a foundation, so just have fun!
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WRONG. I'm a 10th grader. Even though my goal is to work with Japanese animation, I also draw realistic things and also draw from observations.  I have been studying the work of Japanese animation since I was only 6 years old and there is a lot more work that goes into it that others do not truly realize. All manga differ in style and artists must find out which style fits their unique artwork. In order to become a mangaka, MANY artists study the anatomy of human beings in order to perfect movements and the proportions of bodies in order to make their artwork seem less fictional and more realistic. In order to create this form of art, different screen tones, layers, and materials are used. Each stroke of a brush and each mark with ink matters. We draw this style in order to improve our art which is no easy feat. Sometimes I find drawing anime more difficult than realistic drawings because you have to THINK What style goes with this character? You have to check the anatomy and make sure it matches even though it is not wholly based on human features, and if you make a manga, style and personality must match and be balanced otherwise it wouldn't go. Screen tones must stand out from each other and there are MANY details, especially if you look at the work of Yoshiki Nakamura. For people who look down on this unique and special art form, I want to tell you THIS. Anime is no less of an art form than any other, a lot of time and effort goes into certain pieces and a lot of thought goes into just a character's expression. Instead of copying or observing, anime and manga art work come from the imagination and even in doujinshi's, art work differs from the creator's real style. I think this art work is absolutely stunning and beautiful to the point that it almost brings me to tears just knowing that people actually look down on it. Through this art, mangaka's and other fans of it are able to express how they feel to others and also their own situations in life. THIS art strongly projects the thoughts and feelings of the illustrator and brings others through a form of storytelling that may sometimes even be similar to situations they have been through. Not all anime are like Pokemon and Sailor Moon, if you actually researched it there are MANY MANY FORMS! Without a storyboard, just a mere drawing of anime can tell you a whole story. I will no longer accept people looking down on this precious form of art. Here in America people get payed big money for things like Family Guy even though it has VERY simple art, while people who strive to work with anime/manga work just to get their thoughts into the hands of the readers/watchers gain little pay since the big money goes to the companies. For all you out there criticizing anime and manga, what exactly makes you think it's so simple?! Do you actually draw it? If no, then research i more before you go out and criticizing it, though you believe just splattered paint is an art. A 2 year old could do that -__-. Have you looked at the work of Arina tanemura and the backgrounds made by Masashi Kishimoto. If you don't even pay attention to this artform, then frankly, you have no right to be talking down on it and praising splatter paintings. ANYTHING is art if you look at other art forms in the world. LEARN more before you open your mouths. Sayonara-Chantel
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
YES! Exactly! I've been drawing manga for about ten years, way more than any of my art teachers. One of my art teachers literally said once "Oh my god, why can't you just draw normal people?" That's why I want to transfer to a school with no art program. Because those art teachers talk down on other artists when they don't know shit about the art style! If you ask me, people who say things like that shouldn't be teaching art. It's obvious from the way they refer to it that they don't know enough about the art style to talk down on it like that. It's like when you are going wine-tasting and you are an experienced wine connoisseur, and then there's some other chick with you that claims they're an "expert" but doesn't even know how to correctly taste the wine (look, sniff, swallow). Imagine how insulting that would be, and how insulting it is, to have some poser tell you how to draw manga when you are ten years more experienced than them.
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fablesh Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

Hmm this seems like an old question but I still want to gibe my own onion. I am a traditional artist and work in all sorts of media. I personally have not seen sharp tongues pointed towards Anime/Manga styled artist’s. I cannot see why someone would despise a style just because of it’s style. In my onion I believe that most of the negative feedback that Anime/Manga style art gets is just dumb and unreasonable. If one can make art from dots, slash's and trash, then why should anime styled art be any less. "Sophistication, traditional rules, and the use of such is why that is art, you just don't get it" would be a raison used to deny Anime/Manga as a form of art. What I am getting at is that it doesn't matter if its simple or repetitive, anything can be considered art. To frown at Anime/Manga styled art is to frown at all modern art, seems a bit steep but there is a raison for my words. The birth of modern art began a little bit after the Romanticism and Neoclassical movement's with the creation of Impressionism, the transition between realism and impression for a simpler explanation. We owe a lot to these movements because it caused a spark in the art world that questioned art as a whole. One of the original Impressionist went by the name of Edouard Manet. His style of art broke the barriers that allowed all modern art to blossom and become what it is today. One thing that had a great deal of influence on artist like Manet was Japanese art in the form of prints. These Prints made their way into the hands of artist's via travel and trade. Japanese prints have been around for ages and usually depicts a "moment in time” scene or tries to capture a whole story in one frame. These works influenced impressionism with its flat one spaced composition. Works such as Olympia express a flatness that is apparent in both In Japanese prints and Anime/Manga styled art. Another piece of evidence that Japanese art had on the Impressionist Manet is Zola which has a Japanese print of a Wrestler by Utagawa Kuniaki II. Manga is essentially a creation from the direct influence of Japanese prints and is said to originate from a scroll dating to the 12th century, clearly manga isn’t something new. The earliest manga to gain fame are such titles as Osamu Tezuka's Mighty Atom, Astro boy, which helped japan during the hard times of the atomic bomb aftermath. Manga eventually lead to anime, which technically both are the same in style. All forms of art, including digital art, had a moment when it was rejected and not considered an art form or media. If someone can make art with feces or vomit and sale for thousands then why should Anime/Manga styled art not bet valued for its artistic value; and yes, there is feces and vomit art, google it. Artist like Andy Warhol used comic and comic styled art and he is extremely famous with works easily hitting 10 million ducks a “pop.” The last thing to be said is that in order for something to be considered art it needs to follow certain rules. That does not mean that one is imprisoned to certain boundaries because abstract art also follows these rules and can sometimes loks like scribbles at times. In the end, just do what you want, learn from your mistakes, learn more of the modern art world, and never give up because only you can stop yourself from succeeding.     

Best of luck, some random Fish o3o

P.S vomit art is a real and weird thing, idk why but yeah here is an example, and yes ppl pay big ducks for it, idk.....



www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/art…
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No likes system on deviantart, so here ya go. :iconfacebooklikeplz:
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OpenDrawer Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The reason teachers hate most anime "art" is because it is repetitive, shows very little self expression and a very limited skill set. Their pictures often consist of big eyes, stupid cartoony grins, bulbous heads, a single front perspective, and plain backgrounds. My feeling is that rather than a desire to learn self expression, these students have a desire to impress their anime-loving friends with their skills. They learn very little in art school because all of their art focuses on a single limited subject matter, and they refuse to draw anything that doesn't relate to their love for anime. Manga figures are usually the only thing these kids become good at drawing, and they never develop their own style. 

In most drawing classes the teacher is attempting to teach kids realism, perspective, self expression, and originality. This becomes impossible when the students just refuse to listen so that they can grind away at their often uninspired, comfort-zone manga drawings. 

This is not to say there aren't talented manga artists - there are. I am just saying that from experience most of them are not motivated to learn properly and never do.

And then they get upset when the teacher isn't impressed with their mediocre work. Stupid Me! 
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piggynpillow890 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hey, you. How long have you been drawing manga or watching anime? Me has for ten years. Mmm, do you really think you're making a point when these are experienced manga artists you're talking to who know whattafuck they're doing? :iconmingplz: Go watch some dang anime and you'll know they're not all the same.
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BlakeJX Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
From your comment, I find your lack of information disturbing.

The reason teachers hate most anime "art" is because it is repetitive, shows very little self expression and a very limited skill set. Their pictures often consist of big eyes, stupid cartoony grins, bulbous heads, a single front perspective, and plain backgrounds.

One who is starting off with drawing would definitely be repetitive, single front perspective and plain backgrounds, doesn't matter about the style. And yes, it's called manga/anime STYLE not manga/anime ART, because it's a STYLE used by an artist. And because it's a type of STYLE, it varies from artists to artists.
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Sky-of-ragnarok Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014  Student Digital Artist
My opinion on it is since it doesn't really respect anatomy or sometimes gravity (crazy hairdos sometimes xD) it won't get you as far as you expect in the art industry. Most art companies will require anatomy studies, animals, paintings and realistic stuff in a future artist's portfolios and most people who draw anime/manga, don't draw anything else. But there are exceptions of course ;)
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BlakeJX Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Anatomy are almost the same with realistic drawings, only difference in general are the head proportions. 
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Sky-of-ragnarok Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Well not only do the head and facial proportions change, but most of the times, it doesn't really respect muscle placement and such. Usually, the legs are very very tall and thin, the arms are very thin, hands for males might be way too big... But that's just like that, some of it actually makes sense anatomically speaking.
I am not saying anime art is not a form of art, is ugly and etc... I'm just putting out there that a lot of anime artists or students feel like it's the only thing they want and should draw and do not try any other styles, do not study anatomy, and then complain when they're asked to do so in school because "its not my style". Like at least make an effort to try different things and include some anatomical elements into your anime art might actually make it better.
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BlakeJX Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I've yet to see any problems with thin arms or thin legs, maybe except those who are weak in the human anatomy. But one thing to note, is that the anatomy is based on Japanese people, which in general have a smaller frame than the westerns.
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Lover-of-Music Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Student General Artist
I do think it's due to the anatomy in it.  


Also, I'm pretty sure if you want to draw anime style, it'd be better to get your name out there for something else then tell them "aye, mangu and animu is where it's at mangs."
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BlakeJX Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Only part of anatomy different is the head generally.
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Saaally Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
which makes an absolutely huge difference. AND face features - those gigantic eyes are not anatomically possible. and it's true, they're usually overly skinny. the way they usually draw the nose?????? it's ridiculous

i'm very familiar with anime/manga and i like many styles and i like many of them. i know for instance what, say, suzumiya haruhi's style is COMPLETELY different from death note's style. death note is a little bit westernized even, it looks very reasonable and they actually have noses, but the fact is that the vast majority of animes have ridiculously big heads and eyes that take up 90% [big eyes are not always bad though] of it and alien noses, and THAT'S what the teachers are thinking when they have a problem with anime.

the problem with anime when it comes to art classes is not that it is "easy" or ugly [it's not, not necessarily], the problem is that students who are into manga often wanna do JUST that and don't understand how immensely important it is to understand anatomy properly BEFORE you distort it to play with different styles such as manga.

also, a lot of aspiring artists DO copy someone's manga style, usually. sometimes even fucking trace.

also the difference between manga and western comics is that the later is a lot more realistic.
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MikuMikuMiku3000 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's so dumb because I tryed to get into a artist high school and I didn't get in because I draw anime and cartoons!!!  But i'm glad I didnt go because my school has a Japanese club and were going to start a fandom club too! But what we need to talk about is the people who say that anine is only anime if its from Japan by someone Japanese ! Now that's dumb its like saying tacos are only tacos if there were made in Mexico by someone Mexican!!! No tacos are tacos no matter were they came from or who it was made by same thing with anime!!!
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Velithe Featured By Owner May 26, 2014
It's a funny thing 'cause I'm from Mexico and I had to deal with the same situation here, I think it's something that happens in art universities from many countries and I still don't understand why, 'cause here in deviant we've seen lots of awsome pieces in anime-manga styles, I think that it's just that art teachers were raised with other influences and they don't like it 'cause they don't get it (at least I think that was my case) but I think that if you talk with some first-category artist that works for disney for example, they won't have the same prejudice. Mybe it's just something generational

PD sorry for my crappy english I try my best
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Well it's not just drawing. I've come across an art school student who claims that I have no talent and everything I write is shit because it's not in the style of Tolken or Steven King. Due to me adding in a sort of anime style in regards to characters reactions and mannerisms. I was also told that I should quit, never write again, and get a real job.

But who knows it also could have been because I insulted his favorite youtuber. Because that's where his "honest criticism" came up in the first place.
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yes it is less effort because because drawing anime is simplified, and stylized. There are so many wrinkles and parts, lines and other things that it excludes; check out Marvel and DC artwork for yourself. Sure you have to understand basic proportions and anatomy to draw anime too, but It's still stylized. Every life drawing professor keeps telling me to stop drawing those cartoons/ anime whatever and draw realistic before i draw my own style because once. My drawing professor just the other day told the class that they look at people who can draw realistic still life/ life drawings, get interviewed first and the others who draw cartoons only, etc get interviewed last. I don't know about that so don't take me to serious on that part. 

Here's more info on styles.


have fun and good luck in art university!
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Saaally Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
it takes less effort IF we assume the person who drew the anime didn't learn the foundations [realism and anatomy] BEFORE drawing manga. and your professor is absolutely right, you must first understand anatomy and realism and THEN play around with styles. if only i knew that years ago it would have saved me a lot of fucking time! =p

now, art teachers having bias against people who don't do realism is just terrible. i mean their going to school to learn, if they are good at anything at all should be good enough as a proof that they should be in art school.
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xAoibarax Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2013  Student General Artist
I was just reading this journal, and I found your comment. And although I am not yet in college, I notice what you are saying is quite true.

I was at a mini college interview, and this admin representative checked my artworks (I only had one anime artwork there.), he loved all of them (Realism fyi) except for one, which was the anime one of course.  There were also other students having their stuff checked out, and I realized that he even disliked the cartoon styled works.  So, judging from what you say, just simply avoid anything stylized in art schools? I did some research and not only art schools condemn anime, but even American cartoon styles.
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The professors just want you to draw exactly what you see, observation, and not what you know, which is stylize, so that way you build a good foundation I guess. Academics I'm guessing.
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xAoibarax Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Student General Artist
I see. Been doing tons of that these days. Not as fun as what you wanna draw, but hey. Its worth it. Thanks!
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It's not fun at all anymore! Me and my peers are getting sick of doing the same stuff over and over! But I guess it's what makes us get "better" and yeah anytime. Good luck in the world of art!
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xAoibarax Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2013  Student General Artist
Thanks! I will do everything I can to make myself a better artist! 

The reason I kinda find it fun is because it is something I can just stay totally focused on for some reason. Maybe it might change when I graduate LOL.
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Lol keep that passion up and you WILL become a better artist without a doubt, as well as tons of practice everyday. 
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AquaXranoX Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Ugh my darn sentence got cut off...  Every life drawing professor keeps telling me to stop drawing those cartoons/ anime whatever and draw realistic before I draw my own style because once I master realistic Life drawing, Still life etc, There is NOTHING you can't do because you have that foundation.
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WhispersSweet Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
My art teacher pretty much told me my work sucked because it was manga. I'm handing it in anyways, I hope her eyes burn out when she looks at it. =.="
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Jajamola88 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No, it does not require less effort. I think it's the fact that being good at manga does not always mean you're good with realistic drawings or vice versa.
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Oloxx Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
After looking around for it, I could actually not find a clear cut answer to this question; Everything I have found have been people complaining about it rather than an actual insight and reasoning towards the problem. So as an art student myself, I'm going to try and answer this. I'm not a genius with this, and this is completely based from my observations, and each school might have their different reasons, so bear with me here. 

Art schools dislike the general style of manga less because of the style itself and more because the type learned in high school is rudimentary and inhibits growth. 

First off is the portfolio; your portfolio is supposed to prove that you have at least a basic understanding of art and can execute that properly, but it is also there to show that you as an artist have the potential to grow and branch out, even if it means getting out of your comfort zone. A good portfolio has different styles, different mediums, and different subjects. If someone's portfolio consisted of a bunch of anime (which usually means theres a person/animal/entity in it,) don't you think that the artist would be seen as overly reserved and unwilling to take risks with their art? Same goes with any other style, but it is incredibly prominent in the anime fandom, especially since it's such a general and widespread style.

Second, art school breaks you down and builds you back up. Coming into my art school with drawing 1, I spent months drawing boxes. Then those boxes turned into planes for landscapes, and then eventually those planes became planes of the face. I have a style, yes, but I had to give all of it up for the sake of learning, and one thing I've noticed with the students who draw anime is that they either 1: Refuse to let go of their style, and come portrait season the realistic standard is found nowhere in their portraits or they have great difficulty getting the face/proportions down properly or 2: Lose their anime style incredibly quickly.

Realism is the metaphorical standard of all art. There is no variation in realism, which makes it a good standard for learning. And learning it is damn hard and embarrassing, believe me. But if you are not willing to take that risk, you won't learn anything.

And honestly, think further ahead to getting a job. If you only want to draw anime; what can you do with that? Illustrators more often than not have to be a jack of all trades, or else their clientele will decrease. Same with graphic design, concept artists, etc. Limiting yourself is a bad move.

TL;DR Anime is not accepted in art school because more often than not those who draw it expect that they can get through just drawing that and do not take risks. They usually refuse to start from the beginning, and as such it hinders their process, and if they don't take risks and grow, what's even the point? 
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